Curse

Pirates Arrrg Matey · Nov 06, 2007, 02:43 AM // 02:43

nah i don't curse, i think I could come up with other words than using the same cliche ones over and over again.

VanDamselx · Nov 06, 2007, 03:22 AM // 03:22

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Originally Posted by Smile Like Umean It

No.
As bad as my potty mouth is, I'm generally not stupid enough to say something in local that I know is more than likely going to offend someone.

For everyone who keeps saying that, Gaile has already posted way back when that that isn't an excuse and it doesn't give you the right to say something inappropriate.

I like how Gaile says that; however, when you used to go through PlayNC to report someone for indecent language (did it a few times when someone would not stop harassing me), I always got the automated message that goes like this: "If you find swearing offensive, there is a chat filter" and blah blah...

Biostem · Nov 06, 2007, 03:47 AM // 03:47

I just wanted to chime in and say that "verbal abuse" does not necessarily mean you use curse words, nor does griefing require you explicitly state that you are harassing someone. It's more a matter of how the interaction occurs, and if one party asks the other to stop, and they don't.

While there are chat filters, there are many people who intentionally misspell curses so they don't get picked out, or use other words that may not be in the filter.

Whenever I join an unfamiliar group, I tend to feel things out before I say anything risque; if other party members are cursing or making off color jokes, and no one seems to mind, then I may go along w/ it - I don't offend easily.

carnage-runner · Nov 06, 2007, 07:19 AM // 07:19

Honestly don't care who else has said this... Restating the most obvious points of this stupid crap. There's a damn filter... The game is rated teen. That's like no nudity in an XXX film... F$#@'n stupid! Oh any yea, i've been reported 2 times. Once by an ingame dude who made it obvious he wasn't fake. Then with an email. Anet can be hurting sometimes. Let the filter be used by those who would rather read symbols. WHERE ARE THE PARENTS!!! AHH!!

CHunterX · Nov 06, 2007, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by carnage-runner

WHERE ARE THE PARENTS!!! AHH!!

Tossing their children in front of Computers and Television to raise them, instead of raising them themselves, then getting upset and going on an anti-Video Game/Cartoon RAGE when the children learn a potty word. Some people shouldn't be allowed to breed. There should be a test when you graduate High school to see if you will be allowed to fornicate. If I want to swear, others should have to deal with it, or turn on the damn filter. I'm not trying to "avoid" the filter, by using words like "pen15," I just outright say the words, and I should be allowed to.

Zesbeer · Nov 06, 2007, 08:39 AM // 08:39

plan and simple there is a chat filter in the game which is rather good anet shouldn't have added that in the /report option window because if you didnt want to read it then just put the chat filter on its there for a reason.

higaru · Nov 06, 2007, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by Viruzzz

how about this suggestion: Anybody with the chat filter turned off should not be allowed to report for offensive language.

/SIGNED in capital!!!!!

i got reported by a religious nerd cause i had Satan in my nick!!!

Smile Like Umean It · Nov 06, 2007, 01:37 PM // 13:37

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Originally Posted by booooYA

I like how Gaile says that; however, when you used to go through PlayNC to report someone for indecent language (did it a few times when someone would not stop harassing me), I always got the automated message that goes like this: "If you find swearing offensive, there is a chat filter" and blah blah...

That's NCSoft support, not actually Anet though, right?
And yeah, everyone gets those unhelpful bot messages, but then again no where in that message does it say that you should have to rely solely on the filter and that it gives others the right to talk anyway they please?

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Originally Posted by higaru

/SIGNED in capital!!!!!

i got reported by a religious nerd cause i had Satan in my nick!!!

Is that filtered though? I mean, if it is, well, it's kinda lame. So religious that you're offended by the word, yet you play a game that has murders, lets you kill other human beings and defenseless animals, practice magic and do things to corpses?

Also, that little no filter, no report thing won't work for two glaringly obvious reasons. 1. Not all offensive words are filtered. Remember it's more than curse words that offend people. 2. What's stopping someone from having their filter on, seeing the little symbols come up in chat, turn their filter off and then report?

garethporlest18 · Nov 06, 2007, 01:53 PM // 13:53

The chat filter isn't there to stop you from being reported, it's actually there just because it has to be. You have to imagine it's not there, because people take it off just to report people because they think that's cool.

When in fact swearing is most possibly the funnest thing I've ever done in my life. I swear at all of you while behind my PC here just because it's fun! WEOOOO.

Seriously though, using "use the chat filter" as an excuse doesn't work because those uptight people take it off just so they can report folks.

freekedoutfish · Nov 06, 2007, 04:44 PM // 16:44

Grow up..

1) People under 13 play this game.
2) How can you argue that its ok to sware infront of anyone over 13?
3) Foul language is never acceptable in any situation, unless you say it in haste and apologise.

...how can anyone in their right mind try to argue that foul language is acceptable at all? It isnt! You should not use language that might offend someone else in any situation.

I fully accept that in anger and frustration (or if drunk) we say things we shouldnt, but aslong as you accept its wrong and apologise if needed, its ok.

But dont ever try to argue that swearing and use of foul language is ever ok! To try and do that, just shows a complete lack of manurity and a good chance that your really young!

If your not young, then you need to grow up if you think foul language is ok. People should get banned for swearing and using bad language, just as they should for breaking other rules!

There is no excuse for such language. You should be perfectly capable of having a conversation or expressing yourself without using such language. Its called common sense and thinking before you speak.

If we do tollerate such language, then where do we draw the line?

If we let people say "f*ck" or similar words, then how we can argue thats its wrong to say worse things! We need to set guildlines and limits otherwise people would just behave in ways that are completely out of line.

Sorry that ive gone off on a tandum here, but this subject really annoys me. There is virtually no respect in society anymore for anything. We have kids, teenagers and young adults carrying weapons, shooting people and breaking the law all the time.

Yet you want to try and suggest its ok to use "moderately foul language" in a game which is played by people as young as 10+?

Do you not realise how easily influenced kids are these days? If they see you using bad language, they just run out into the street and start using it themselves.

Again sorry for flying off the handle, but I find it incredible that someone is trying to say it should be ok to use certain bad language ingame.

Note: Yes we do have a chat filter, but that is no excuse for using bad language.

Does that mean its ok to sware in real life, aslong as we put our hands over our kids hears so they dont hear it? Should we be able to cause GBH in real life, aslong as we cover the kids eyes over so they dont see it?

The fact is, you are choosing to play an MMO and interact with real people. Because of that, you are expected to behave in a certain manor which respects others. If you choose to play or do an activity which involves others and you behave in a way which offends them, you should be banned or punished.

If you want to swear and use foul language, then dont play MMOs where people wont like it! Also you shouldnt let your young child play online games where they can potentially be exposed to such things either. So its a two edged sword!

If your child is under a certain age, you either dont let them play a game and risk being exposed to it or you watch them and make sure their not using such language. Would you be impressed if a teacher rang you up and told you, your child had swarn in class?

Ctb · Nov 06, 2007, 05:03 PM // 17:03

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If I want to swear, others should have to deal with it, or turn on the damn filter.

Fallacy. There is a difference between how you think things "should be" and how they are. They are this way: you don't own the server so it's not your call to make, and the people who do own the server have already decided that you're wrong.

Not that I care about swearing, but it's NCSoft's / ANET's game, so it's up to them to set the standards and it's your responsibility to adhere to them whether you like it or not.

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People under 13 play this game.

The game has been rated for 13 and up. Therefore, the content in the game can only be reasonably interpreted as appropriate - by community standards - for people 13 and up. As such, if you purchase the game for anybody under 13 with the expectation that it will not be inappropriate for them in some way - by community standards - you are being unreasonable.

Other, similar media such as music and movies that are generally viewed as appropriate for 13 and up may have instances of profanity. I will run with the assumption that most people view video games, music, and movies as similar in that they are all consumable media meant to entertain.

Therefore, Guild Wars may have instances of profanity and expecting otherwise is unreasonable.

QED.

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2) How can you argue that its ok to sware infront of anyone over 13?

Words can't hurt anybody, so what does it matter? That's just your personal opinion versus anybody else's, so it's certainly not any reason to establish any sort of policy.

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3) Foul language is never acceptable in any situation, unless you say it in haste and apologise.

I can prove you wrong: I don't care about foul language in my presence in ANY situation unless it's being used to verbally harrass me, therefore, foul language is, in fact, acceptable in many situations.

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Would you be impressed if a teacher rang you up and told you, your child had swarn in class?

Who's arguing that it's "impressive"? You're just making that up because your argument doesn't hold water. The general consensus so far has been that it's annoying and immature, but most people just shrug it off. As for your hypothetical, unrelated strawman question, I would take the opportunity to teach my son about context and point out that using such language in the wrong situation can create a backlash that has consequences, and that if he's not prepared to accept those consequences, or is unsure of what they may be, he should choose his words - profanity laced or otherwise - carefully.

My my... education rather than just arbitrary, blanket banishment... what a crazy concept, huh?

freekedoutfish · Nov 06, 2007, 05:43 PM // 17:43

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Originally Posted by Ctb

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How do you know using foul language in a given situation and around certain people isnt hurting them?

I have a friend who makes a habbit of using racial slures when ever in proximity of ethnic minorities. I find it really embarrissing and I expect those individuals within earshot get really offended, yet his usual response is to just scough and laugh it off like its nothing and like no ones being hurt.

So just because you personally dont find the use of swearing (around you) to be offensive, that makes it acceptable for everyone to use foul language round complete strangers?

But because you dont get offend by such language, its ok! No regard for others!

I suggested that certain people find it impressive, because what betterreason is there for a person resort to using foul language on a regular basic?

It has no effect other then to cause embarissment and offense! So why do it? I can only conclude that people use such language because either they think its "cool" or "hard" or they have no regard for anyone but themselves.

And im sorry, but I have never once seen a PG rated film that has contained foul language. I agree that alot of music videos and television programmes these days maydo, but that is another arguement.

We're not discussing whats acceptable for films, music videos, radio or television to broadcast. We have no control over what those individuals say or do. In those cases its the responsibilty of the adult to stop their children seeing or hearing that.

But in an online game, you can control what you say!

Its not pre-scripted or acting like in a music video or film. Its live and you have the ability to think before you speak. Its all well and good having freedom of speach, but that doesnt mean you can say what you like with no regard for it offending.

As I said before... if we allow foul language in an MMO, whether it be rated 13+ or not! Where does it stop?

What are the limits for a game rated 13+! Is it ok to say "f*ck" or "b*tch" or "N*gger" in an MMO because its rated 13+.

What exactly is the rating level on foul langage?

pkodyssey · Nov 06, 2007, 06:29 PM // 18:29

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Originally Posted by Griff Mon

My guild leader does not allow us to mention Canada. Unless, we are insulting it.

Thats hilarious. We have a few players from north of the border. When we ask everyone to /resign, we tell them not to /surrender. Also, we get a rise out of them by telling them that Canada is just a US Territory.

Its all in fun and we get crap back in return. No harm no foul.

Ctb · Nov 06, 2007, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

How do you know using foul language in a given situation and around certain people isnt hurting them?

Because they're not saying it is, therefore there's no reason to believe it. How do you know that standing in the sunshine isn't turning you into a biomechanical zombie bent on world domination?

Right: because there's no evidence of any such thing, so there's no reason to believe it's so.

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yet his usual response is to just scough and laugh it off like its nothing and like no ones being hurt.

Well, ARE they offended and, more importantly, do they voice their concerns? If there are no repurcussions for his actions, then of course he's going to shrug off idle comments about it. You're still his friend, no? And, apparently, nobody has cracked his skull yet over it.

If there's no repurcussions, he's never going to stop.

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So just because you personally dont find the use of swearing (around you) to be offensive, that makes it acceptable for everyone to use foul language round complete strangers?

Nobody said any such thing. It's a matter of personal opinion, and personal opinion without verifiable fact is not an appropriate way to devise a policy regulating other people's behaviors. All my personal opinion on the matter decides is what I consider to be appropriate speech around me. I certainly can't make that sort of determination for the whole Guild Wars community, my place of business, etc.

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I suggested that certain people find it impressive, because what betterreason is there for a person resort to using foul language on a regular basic?

And what of it? I'm sure you're right, that there are immature people who think using profanity is "cool". So? Frankly, I welcome it. Makes it easier for me to stay away from the people who are most likely to have seriously personality flaws that make them undesirable in-game companions.

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It has no effect other then to cause embarissment and offense!

That's your personal opinion, and one I'd wager few people share. Profanity can be effectively used to obtain the attention of a group of people very quickly when the situation warrants. It can also be used effectively as a method of establishing dominance when warranted, as anyone who's every been through Basic can attest to. Furthermore, the whole purpose of profanity is to provide for a concise way to express extreme emotion and, when used properly, it can do just that.

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And im sorry, but I have never once seen a PG rated film that has contained foul language.

There are numerous PG-rated films from before the creation of PG-13 that use the F-word sparingly along with other salty language, and PG-13 rated films today can carry small doses of it.

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But in an online game, you can control what you say!

And that's a personal choice that other people, not you, need to make. You cannot control what they say, nor can ANET. ANET can - and does - however, implement a policy which can curtail repeated infractions based on proscribed language, so there's no real point in continuing with that facet of the discussion.

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Its all well and good having freedom of speach, but that doesnt mean you can say what you like with no regard for it offending.

Your speech is either regulated or it's not, so it's either free or it's not. For example, you don't have any absolute "freedom of speech" in the U.S., contrary to what the 1st amendment says. You have "freedom of most kinds of speech" because the courts have ruled that you can, in fact, be punished for saying certain things (profanity out-of-context being one of them).

It's irrelevant, though, because ANET has made it quite clear, as is their perogative, that while on their servers they can and will regulate your speech.

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What exactly is the rating level on foul langage?

Community standards. This is the standard for most material that is seen as potentially obscene. What is illegitimate in one community may not be in another, so it's up to the community as a whole to determine what is and is not appropriate.

However, that's something different entirely. If your community were to decide that Guild Wars is obscene, for example, it has no grounds for altering Guild Wars, short of economic pressure in the form of simply not purchasing it. It can only ban ownership of Guild Wars within the community. ANET is ultimately the only power that can legitimately determine what is and is not acceptable behavior within the game itself.

Malice Black · Nov 06, 2007, 07:30 PM // 19:30

The world is already too PC (Politically Correct), freedom is swearing is one of the few freedoms we have left.

I swear. Swearing helps me vent, without so I'd need to hit people, hard.

Issac · Nov 06, 2007, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I'll swear in rl or ingame once every other week or so lol. Theirs not really much use. It's just making you type more lol.

Kusandaa · Nov 06, 2007, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by freekedoutfish

How do you know using foul language in a given situation and around certain people isnt hurting them?

I have a friend who makes a habbit of using racial slures when ever in proximity of ethnic minorities. I find it really embarrissing and I expect those individuals within earshot get really offended, yet his usual response is to just scough and laugh it off like its nothing and like no ones being hurt.

So just because you personally dont find the use of swearing (around you) to be offensive, that makes it acceptable for everyone to use foul language round complete strangers?

But because you dont get offend by such language, its ok! No regard for others!

I suggested that certain people find it impressive, because what betterreason is there for a person resort to using foul language on a regular basic?

It has no effect other then to cause embarissment and offense! So why do it? I can only conclude that people use such language because either they think its "cool" or "hard" or they have no regard for anyone but themselves.

And im sorry, but I have never once seen a PG rated film that has contained foul language. I agree that alot of music videos and television programmes these days maydo, but that is another arguement.

We're not discussing whats acceptable for films, music videos, radio or television to broadcast. We have no control over what those individuals say or do. In those cases its the responsibilty of the adult to stop their children seeing or hearing that.

But in an online game, you can control what you say!

Its not pre-scripted or acting like in a music video or film. Its live and you have the ability to think before you speak. Its all well and good having freedom of speach, but that doesnt mean you can say what you like with no regard for it offending.

As I said before... if we allow foul language in an MMO, whether it be rated 13+ or not! Where does it stop?

What are the limits for a game rated 13+! Is it ok to say "f*ck" or "b*tch" or "N*gger" in an MMO because its rated 13+.

What exactly is the rating level on foul langage?

Alright. Let's clear this up a bit more.

I DON'T like censorship and as Malice said, freedom of speech is one of the few things we have left. When I'm with a bunch of friends who swear as well, WHO does it offend? "God?" I'm sorry, but I'm completely atheist. And as I've said, I rarely direct it to other people, usually the AI that sucks (their monk kites, my hero monk doesn't. "F*** DUNK'S AI!"). Doesn't offend anyone but a program, lets me vent and no one in my team usually cares.

If someone feels offended and if they tell me, I generally tone it down. "EFF DUNK'S AI, stupid thing *mumbles to self IRL*". I understand some people offended, but your average PUG doesn't really care. I don't abuse it normally. So yes, I have regard for other people. I know how to control myself when there are people with young kids around - spent 9 months in a family-oriented guild, and I would watch my language - heck, I'm watching my language right now. Doesn't bother me (but requires some kind of effort, because I don't feel offended by this kinda stuff). Now, I warn my new members that we're not a PG13 guild (TBH we're sometimes beyond the R rating...) and I've gotten NO COMPLAINTS since our guild started.

I will NEVER insult anyone with racial slurs. That's where I think it goes too far and a reportable question. I'm from a minority myself and I hate it when people insult me because of it. So why would I insult them?

So we all have different cultural and familial backgrounds. I was raised in English and French; swearing in my house wasn't a matter of attention, it was a matter of respect. My parents swear more in English than French, given to French-speakers, the "F-word" isn't much of a swear... and we live in a French-speaking environment. I wouldn't dare swearing in French at my grandparents' place (they're very religious) but in English, meh, everything goes. They don't care - they DON'T speak English in their everyday life. Probably the same for other, non-English-speaking populations.

And as much as I realize that yes, in GW I play in English and English-speaking people might find them offensive, it's a habit. As I said, I tone it down when people are offended, if not... as long as it's not directed to HURT SOMEONE ELSE'S FEELINGS, I'm fine with it.

Ork Pride · Nov 06, 2007, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Oh my god. People arguing that swearing should be reported even if chat filter is on? Grow the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up. Turn your filter off, ignore the thread, no problems.

Malice Black · Nov 06, 2007, 08:04 PM // 20:04

I agree with the above, just can't bothered to type that much :P

Kusandaa · Nov 06, 2007, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Oh and sometimes it depends how we're told. Between "watch ur langgage, i dun liek it!1!1!1" and "Could you please swear less? I feel offended", I'll mostly comply to second request and will apologize. The first one, I'll most likely feel that he's trying to patronize me and my reaction won't be good.

I had both occasions happening; the first one was in Raisu Palace. I was monking for a buddy who decided to PUG it. I swore for a reason I don't remember (probably was something due to the fact both had "Lord" and in their names and got "effing confused"). The PUG requested me to stop saying "bad wordz" because he "didnt liek it, ok?????????? itz not gud at alll!!" else he was "ignure me cuz he didnt liek it at all!!!!!!!!", or something along the lines. Netspeak included.

The second was requested by a player who was a Christian and did feel offended by it; also had young kids around. I asked him if he had a filter on, and he asked me how to set it. Never caused problems, and we remained in friendly terms after.

I'd have gotten reported by the first one (was probably also in his threats, I don't remember the whole thing). The second one simply moved along.

So players, learn to deal with it. >_>. No one's perfect, and when asked nicely, chances are that you'll be listened.